“Mr. Bartleman misled the families of the victims and the commission.”
Former CSE officer
Pierre Lecompte
(December 6 2007)
December 7 2023 — At the time of the tragedy, James Bartleman was in charge of the intelligence analysis and security branch of Foreign Affairs. In May 2007, Bartleman told the inquiry that he has seen a secret report warning that Flight 182 was targeted by terrorists. On December 6 2007, Pierre Lecompte, a former official with the Communications Security Establishment (CSE), testified that such report never existed. Follow us on Twitter: @INTEL_TODAY
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“There was no telltale noise on the CVR of Pan Am 103, nor of TWA 800 nor Air India 182. The simple explanation would be that section 41 separated from section 42 while in flight.”
Carl Davies — Plane Truth
UPDATE (December 7 2023) — Once upon a time, while learning about the crash of Pan Am 103, I came to the conclusion that Wikipedia was edited by people from Western Intelligence agencies. Surprisingly, it took only a few weeks to find out that I was entirely correct.
This morning, I was about to remind you about the crash of Air India Flight 182. I just wanted to point out that this tragedy is back in the news.
But I also wanted to explain what an incredible mess this story has been. Despite the cost of the investigation (the most expensive in Canadian history), not a single person has ever been convicted for a direct role in the alleged bombing of Flight 182.
But then, I got distracted by a strange answer from ChatGPT. And I decided to dig deeper. Let me summarize what happened.
After receiving very frustrating answers to my questions, I fired a rather simple one: “Is there any direct evidence of a bomb aboard flight 182?”
To my surprise, ChatGPT argued that “Investigators concluded that a bomb caused the destruction of the aircraft, but proving the specific details and individuals responsible involved various challenges. There were several pieces of evidence pointing to the presence of a bomb.”
I was flummoxed and speechless. What on earth is going on? So, I decided to press on for explanations. What are those several pieces of evidence pointing to the presence of a bomb?
A1) Witness Accounts: Witnesses reported seeing a fire or explosion on the aircraft before it disintegrated.
A2) Wreckage Analysis: The examination of wreckage fragments, including the recovery of pieces from the ocean, indicated signs of an explosion. They recovered the cockpit voice recorder.
A3) Forensic Examination: Forensic experts examined debris to identify traces of explosives and establish that a bomb caused the destruction.
What the hell is going on? I decided to ask some explanation of this most astonishing answer. Here are my questions and the answers from ChatGPT.
Q1) Who are the people who witnessed the plane exploding over the ocean?
Answer from ChatGPT:
“I apologize for any confusion in my previous responses. I appreciate your diligence in seeking accurate information. Allow me to clarify: Since the explosion occurred at high altitude and over water, there were no direct eyewitnesses to the event itself. (…)I appreciate your attention to detail, and I apologize for any confusion caused by the inaccuracies in my previous responses. “
Q2) About the recovered cockpit voice recorder — it seems that there is no record of an explosion sound. Can you comment?
Answer from ChatGPT:
The investigation into the bombing of Air India Flight 182 did involve the analysis of the cockpit voice recorder (CVR) recovered from the wreckage. The CVR records audio from the cockpit, including conversations among the flight crew, as well as ambient sounds. However, due to the sudden and catastrophic nature of the explosion, the CVR did not capture the sound of the explosion itself.
The explosion that led to the destruction of the aircraft likely occurred abruptly and may have exceeded the capabilities of the CVR to record the event. The focus of the investigation, therefore, was on other aspects of the audio recording and on the analysis of debris, forensic evidence, and other available information to determine the cause of the explosion.
Q3) And now the time has come to fire the key question: Was there any traces of explosive recovered from flight 182?
Answer from ChatGPT:
Yes, during the investigation into the bombing of Air India Flight 182. (…)Specifically, investigators detected residue and traces of PETN and RDX explosives. These findings supported the conclusion that a bomb had caused the destruction of the aircraft. (…)The use of Semtex in the bombing of Air India Flight 182 was a significant aspect of the investigation, and the traces of PETN and RDX supported the conclusion that a plastic explosive like Semtex was involved in the bombing.
Q4) Semtex (PETN and RDX) associated with the Air India Flight 182 bombing? What is your source for this information?
Answer from ChatGPT:
For details about specific explosives involved in the Air India Flight 182 bombing, I rely on publicly available information up to my last training cut-off.
Q5) What publicly available information mentions semtex?
Answer from ChatGPT:
I apologize for any confusion. Based on the information available up to my last training cut-off in January 2022, there isn’t specific mention of Semtex in connection with the Air India Flight 182 bombing.
I am extremely concerned by the answers from ChatGPT about Air India 182. I enjoy ChatGPT and I use it for many purposes everyday.
I had never seen that much nonsense as today while asking questions about this tragedy. What do you think? Is ChatGPT run by Western Intelligence Agencies?
END of UPDATE
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On June 23 1985, Air India Flight 182 — Boeing 747-237B registered VT-EFO — disintegrated in mid-air en route from Montreal to London, at an altitude of 31,000 feet (9,400 m) over the Atlantic Ocean.
James Bartleman was director of security and intelligence for the Department of External Affairs. On May 3 2007, he testified at the Air India Inquiry that he had presented an intelligence document to the RCMP warning of a possible attack days prior to the tragedy.
On December 6 2007, Pierre Lecompte, a former official with the Communications Security Establishment (CSE), testified that such report never existed.
Lecompte said he had searched the electronic archives of reports — which span back to the 1970s — and he couldn’t find a record of the report Bartleman referred to. [All wiretap intelligence, including reports from foreign agencies, pass through CSE.]
“I can assure you it was not a CSE intercept,” he said. “If such a report had existed, I would have felt responsible for what happened with Air India. And I can assure you, I can meet with all the families, express my condolences, but not feel responsible.”
What do I think?
Let me remind you that the sequence of events leading to the disintegration of Air India Flight 182, Pan Am 103, and TWA 800 is entirely similar.
In each case, the front section detached from the main body of the plane and thus landed earlier that the rest of the plane.
In the mid 80′, Boeing had noticed a serious engineering problem with the front section of the Boeing 747. In short, due to the unusual shape of that part of the plane, fatigue effects on the structure of section 41 (and to a lesser extent section 42) were far more severe than anticipated. The issue had been expected but underestimated.
James K. Kallstrom — the New York F.B.I. chief who was in charge of the T.W.A. Flight 800 investigation — has claimed that the sharp noise at the end of the tape was identical to the Pan Am Flight 103 (Lockerbie) sound and this was clear evidence of a bomb explosion.
As I explained recently in great details, the first part of this statement is TRUE but the second part is absolutely FALSE.
There is no sound of a bomb explosion recorded in the Lockerbie tragedy. Although the Pan Am 103 report was ambiguous regarding the bomb sound, the Lockerbie investigators corrected Kallstrom and stated very clearly that there was no record of a bomb explosion aboard Pan Am 103.
Air India Flight 182 — What does the evidence tell us?
On July 11 1985, The New York Times [JET’S ‘BLACK BOX’ IS RAISED FROM THE SEA] reported that the voice recorder had been recovered.
The voice recorder from the Air-India jumbo jet lost off the Irish coast last month with 329 people aboard was brought to the surface today, raising hopes that the mystery of the crash could be solved.
The unit, one of two so-called black boxes, was recovered by a robot submarine from a depth of 6,700 feet.
The device should contain recordings of the final 30 minutes of conversation in the cockpit of the doomed Boeing 747, along with public-address announcements and perhaps ambient sounds such as a whoosh of decompression. A whoosh would indicate that there had been an explosion aboard the Boeing 747, which was en route from Canada to India, via London’s Heathrow Airport. (…)
Every fraction of a second will be studied, in the hope that the recorders kept going long enough to provide clues – possibly the beeping of an alarm signal or the sound of decompression or some technical data that points toward one probable cause or another. The analysis will be carried out in India, the investigators said, using special machines that can isolate one set of sounds from another. It was not known how long the analysis would take.
Well, to the best of my knowledge, The New York Times never published the result of this analysis…
Let me quote from the official Kirpal Report for Air India Flight 182, 1986.
“It is considered that from the CVR and ATC recordings supplied for analysis, there is no evidence of a high explosive device having detonated on AI 182. There is strong evidence to suggest that a sudden explosive decompression occurred but the cause has not been identified. It must be concluded that without positive evidence of an explosive device from either the wreckage or pathological examinations, some other cause has to be established for the accident.”
The graph shows a sudden loud sound followed by an abrupt power cut to the flight data recorders. This sound was analyzed by the government scientists for frequency, duration, rise and fall time.
“The conclusion reached by all these analysts in the UK, USA, Canada and India is that the sudden loud sound is not a bomb explosion sound but that of an explosive decompression sound. The bomb sound was ruled out because necessary low frequencies were not present and the rise time was too slow.” [John Barry Smith]
There is no record of a bomb sound for Air India Flight 182, Pan Am Flight 103, and TWA Flight 800.
In the case of TWA 800, the FBI is known to have attempted to hide vital information pointing to a mechanical failure while trying to portray the accident as an act of terrorism.
I have come to the conclusion that Pan Am Flight 103 disintegrated in flight over Lockerbie because of a massive structural failure due to well-known issues of metal fatigue in section 41 and 42 of the Boeing 747 (Series 100 & 200), not because of an explosive device.
The reader will draw his/her own conclusions about Air India Flight 182…
“One thing however is worrying aviation observers in India and abroad, and that is the time being taken to complete the inquiry and inform an eagerly waiting aviation world about the reasons which caused Kanishka (Air India 182) to break up. The whole industry has huge stakes in the Boeing 747 and if, for example, it were found that structural defects or fatigue had caused the crash, the repercussions for world airlines would be disastrous. All 747’s would have to be grounded and checked for structural fatigue.”
Kanishka disaster: ‘Black box’ recovered,
investigators to probe what caused the crash
Ramindar Singh
(August 15 1985)
REFERENCES
James Bartleman — Wikipedia
Air India Flight 182 — Wikipedia
Bartleman ‘misled’ Air India victims’ families, inquiry told — CBC News
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